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[Kloster]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

I suspect he was thinking more in terms of U.S. regionalism.

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Kloster

[Atgxtg]

Originally Posted by Kloster

It already WAS the dominant force, even before OGL!

In the mid 90s that started to change. AD&D 2nd edition was losing market share, and companies liek White Wolf were gaining ground. The RPG shops in my area went from being 75% D&D due to volume (there was more D&D stuff than non) to the reverse.

Once D20 came out, lots of companies jumped on the d20 wagon and dropped thier own lines. Within two years or so D&D return to preeminence.

Originally Posted by Kloster

True, even if Mongoose tries hard to push the other way.

There not. They make far more money from OGL D&D than they do from MRQ. MRQ just gives then another niche to sell too. Currently that niche comprises of a small percentage of RQ fans and a large does of disenchanted D&Ders. But, since Mongoose is doing to MRQ what WotC did with D&D (splitting everything off into a different supplement), I suspect the disenchanted D&Ders will end up as disenchanted MRQers.

[Nightshade]

Originally Posted by Atgxtg

There not. They make far more money from OGL D&D than they do from MRQ. MRQ just gives then another niche to sell too. Currently that niche comprises of a small percentage of RQ fans and a large does of disenchanted D&Ders. But, since Mongoose is doing to MRQ what WotC did with D&D (splitting everything off into a different supplement), I suspect the disenchanted D&Ders will end up as disenchanted MRQers.

Assuming what disenchanted them was supplimentitis. It might have simply been a search for a different sort of fantasy experience than the high-heroic, cinematic D20 one.

[Atgxtg]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

Assuming what disenchanted them was supplimentitis. It might have simply been a search for a different sort of fantasy experience than the high-heroic, cinematic D20 one.

No, from what I've read, most of the people seem to be disgusted with the endless number of supplements add ons, and such that expand the game. A lot of groups play at the Gms house so he does have to carry a bookself with him on gaming night.

[Kloster]

Originally Posted by Atgxtg

In the mid 90s that started to change. AD&D 2nd edition was losing market share, and companies liek White Wolf were gaining ground. The RPG shops in my area went from being 75% D&D due to volume (there was more D&D stuff than non) to the reverse.
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For me (in far away Europe), TSR never went below 50% of gamestore exposure, even if they were losing marketshares (to WhiteWolf, RTG, Games Workshop and some others).

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Kloster

[Kloster]

Originally Posted by Atgxtg

No, from what I've read, most of the people seem to be disgusted with the endless number of supplements add ons, and such that expand the game. A lot of groups play at the Gms house so he does have to carry a bookself with him on gaming night.

I like to remember I was not the one GMing WoD games.

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Kloster

[Kloster]

Originally Posted by Atgxtg

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There not. They make far more money from OGL D&D than they do from MRQ. MRQ just gives then another niche to sell too. Currently that niche comprises of a small percentage of RQ fans and a large does of disenchanted D&Ders. But, since Mongoose is doing to MRQ what WotC did with D&D (splitting everything off into a different supplement), I suspect the disenchanted D&Ders will end up as disenchanted MRQers.

What I was replying to was: "And most D&Ders don't look at and buy non D20 products."

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Kloster

[soltakss]

Wayland's Forge, here in Birmingham UK, always wraps their products. I've never asked them to open one so I could have a look at the contents but I'm sure they would.

I've never been one for browsing through a book - generally I buy what i need or want rather than buy on impulse.

[Atgxtg]

Originally Posted by soltakss

Wayland's Forge, here in Birmingham UK, always wraps their products. I've never asked them to open one so I could have a look at the contents but I'm sure they would.

I've never been one for browsing through a book - generally I buy what i need or want rather than buy on impulse.

How do you know what you need or want without some exposure to the product? I can see if you are following a preexisting line, but what about something new?

[drohem]

Unless you are single, young, and fairly well-off, I think that impluse buying is a thing of the past. Especially with product prices these days. Twenty years ago the price of products was such that you reasonably purchase a product or two a month and still not feel the sting, but these days it hurts when a is product is $30-$50 each.