Spare arms

[Kloster]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

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But that's probably why people _didn't use it; no one wanted to be disarmed just to get in one good hit. People willing to do that used spears in the first place, and they were a minority.

That's why I carry a backup weapon.

Runequestement votre,

Kloster

[Kloster]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

People lost shields sometimes, but to be honest, unless you took a lot of time to learn one as a backup, you weren't going to be worth a damn parrying with a backup weapon anyway. If you lost your shield, you were just as well off trying to parry with your weapon at hand; after all you could do that if it was all you had.

If your weapon is a 1H weapon, you can't attack and parry with it in the same round. If I parry with my sword because I don't have a backup parrying weapon, I have to attack with my fists.
And a dagger is better than nothing.

Runequestement votre,

Kloster

[Kloster]

Originally Posted by Nightshade

People lost shields sometimes, but to be honest, unless you took a lot of time to learn one as a backup, you weren't going to be worth a damn parrying with a backup weapon anyway. If you lost your shield, you were just as well off trying to parry with your weapon at hand; after all you could do that if it was all you had.

By the way, an average dark troll (+1D6 DB) with bludgeon 1 on his Maul (2D8) destroy a round shield (12 AP) in 3 shots. Not very long to obtain, especially if the target is parrying with the abovementioned shield.

Runequestement votre,

Kloster

[drohem]

Originally Posted by Kloster

According to RQIII, you can carry 2 layers armor if:
1 - the innermost is soft armor
2 - the innermost has fewer AP than the outermost.
The consequence is that you add the AP and the inner ENC is doubled.

Runequestement votre,

Kloster

I guess your RQ3 is different than mine. According to RQ Deluxe Edition (softcover) p. 70, you add AP and ENC of soft armor (leather or heavy cloth). The ENC of the soft armor is not doubled.

[Kloster]

Originally Posted by drohem

I guess your RQ3 is different than mine. According to RQ Deluxe Edition (softcover) p. 70, you add AP and ENC of soft armor (leather or heavy cloth). The ENC of the soft armor is not doubled.

P68 of player book, you are right, but on the errata:
"Points for Overlapping Armor
As described above, it is possible to wear soft armor under another armor to provide added protection. Hard armor may not be worn under any other type of armor. In any case, the outer layer of armor must be heavier than the inner (i.e., have more armor points).
The interior soft armor adds its normal AP to the total armor at TWICE normal ENC cost."

Runequestement votre,

Kloster

[drohem]

Thanks for pointing that out.

[Nightshade]

Originally Posted by drohem

The only disadvantage for layering soft leather or heavy cloth under hard armor is you add the ENC of both armor suits/pieces. However, you also added the Armor Points together.

Now, if you tried to layer hard armor with hard armor, then you ran into trouble. You added the Armor Points of both armor suits/pieces, but you tripled the ENC of the lesser hard armor.

Actually, what I was thinking of was that it was almost always more bulky than simply higher point armor (though almost always cheaper). As an example, soft leather under cuirboilli provided 4 armor points at an encumberance of 8.5 for total medium coverage; bezainted also provided 4 points of protection, but only had an encumberance of 7.5. On the other hand, the bezainted cost 563 p., while the leather + cuirboilli was only 295, so if you were at all tight for money, a few extra encumberance points might seem okay--but people locally were fairly avid about keeping their encumberance down as low as possible (probably because of its effect on spellcasting in RQ3).

[Nightshade]

Originally Posted by Kloster

Don't forget that if you strike deliberately the weapon, you don't substract 1AP but the difference between AP and damage rolled.
A broadsword has 10 AP. If you do 12, it goes down to 8, not 9.

I'm quite aware, but if you're using a battleaxe with a D4 damage bonus, that still expects to take you three blows about to do the job, and of course against the typical weapon you're taking a 20% penalty to do so.

And the main advantage of hitting the weapon is that it is not protected by the shield. When your opponent has a hoplite shield (18 AP) or even a round (12 AP), that makes a BIG difference.

It was, however, no guarentee to solve the problem, and in the meantime the target was still hammering away on _you_.

[Nightshade]

Originally Posted by Kloster

This campaign is in Prax. We use the cultural weapons, so Lunar characters use scimitars, and non lunar don't. And for the bastard sword, in Prax, they are hard to get and terribly expensive, at least with our GM. And considering the access to metal, I find this logical, and I continue using my broadsword.

That would make a difference; none of the local games were Gloranthan, and bastardswords weren't, on the whole, any harder to get ahold of than longswords.

[Nightshade]

Originally Posted by Kloster

P68 of player book, you are right, but on the errata:
"Points for Overlapping Armor
As described above, it is possible to wear soft armor under another armor to provide added protection. Hard armor may not be worn under any other type of armor. In any case, the outer layer of armor must be heavier than the inner (i.e., have more armor points).
The interior soft armor adds its normal AP to the total armor at TWICE normal ENC cost."

Runequestement votre,

Kloster

Perhaps I was remembering that, too. Its hard to be sure since I haven't run RQ in more than a decade, and it may be getting onto two.