Thread: Alcohol in Legend

Originally Posted by soltakss

Agreed and if you can make it easily usable and fun to use as well as being fairly accurate then it would be a good set of rules.

Can we start with the size of a dose (allowing some and spare the precise metric/imperial conversions)?

Suggest (because we can all relate by personal experience) 1 DOSE = 1/2 litre beer, or 0.25-0.3 litres wine, or 0.1 litres strong spirits

Application - Ingestion (really, I think injection calls for specialist rules or GM fiat for an unusual situation)
Onset time - 15 minutes (I'm guessing)
Duration - 2 hours (likewise)
Resistance - Resilience. Adjust Difficulty according to normal rules scale depending on whether you have eaten well, or are starving, or whatever

POTENCY - 40, but +10 cumulative for each extra dose downed within the onset time, and the drinker must reroll for each new application within the duration, again adding + 10 Potency per dose to what's already int he system.

Effects - Put your thoughts here, but as a discussion starter

Potency roll fails - no effect
Potency roll succeeds, Resilience succeeds, no effect, but Potency remains to be added to that of the next drink.
Potency succeeds, Resilience Fails, -10% to skills (including resilience). If you are using Passions - add +10 to the Passion. Potency remains as above.
Potency succeeds, Resilience Fumbles - Puke, pass out, do something embarrassing (scale to Potency already on board). Hangover assumed.

Remember you roll for each dose, and the effects are cumulative.

Not playtested, obviously, this is off the cuff, but similar to my drug use rules. But If I drink 5 pints within 2 hours, and have resilience 50%, succeed/fail/succeed/fail/fail - I'm now -30% on skills, +30% on Passions, Potency in system is now 90% and the next pint will see me home to bed. If I make it. Maybe a bit harsh...but I'll be fine in an hour...no, really, I'm fine to drive...honest.

Hmm. Your approach seems to be along the same lines as the S&P Article. I was hoping to get something more with more believable effects, that could Ideally be generalized to be able to add more drinks of varying strengths on the fly.

I can see mine needing some revision to make it more easily usable, but I'm not confident in this approach. I feel that while it's simplistic enough to be more easily usable than what I originally put up, its simplistic to the point of not being realistic enough for me.

The effects in particular. The ones I mentioned match up well with the actual effects of alcohol, and include the potential for coma or death.

Now that I've seen the S&P Article, this approach, and what I started with, I'm more convinced I have the right idea, Though the presentation needs work and I need to make it so less calculation is needed. I'll try to take the comments in this thread into consideration, and I'll make a revision and put it up when I get the chance.

I've been using Legend's Fatigue Levels to represent Intoxication. Having just read the Signs & Portents 45 article I might go in for using its Intoxication Levels, but the rest of those rules are an unneeded complexity. I'd also extend penalties to all skills, not just those related to DEX and INT.

For drinking contests I pit the opponents Resilience scores in opposed tests.

Originally Posted by Darkholme

Hmm. Your approach seems to be along the same lines as the S&P Article. I was hoping to get something more with more believable effects, that could Ideally be generalized to be able to add more drinks of varying strengths on the fly.

I can see mine needing some revision to make it more easily usable, but I'm not confident in this approach. I feel that while it's simplistic enough to be more easily usable than what I originally put up, its simplistic to the point of not being realistic enough for me.

The effects in particular. The ones I mentioned match up well with the actual effects of alcohol, and include the potential for coma or death.

Now that I've seen the S&P Article, this approach, and what I started with, I'm more convinced I have the right idea, Though the presentation needs work and I need to make it so less calculation is needed. I'll try to take the comments in this thread into consideration, and I'll make a revision and put it up when I get the chance.

In fairness - because there's a system in Legend for poisons - and I see no reason to have an alternative one for alcohol rather then just use what's there. The poisons rules give you a bunch of characteristics (application, potency, onset time, duration etc) for which you as GM can put in your own stats and effects. If you can describe those - rather than ask the system to do that for you - you can fill out the sheet. If you wanted to you could do it for each drink (Troll Lagers, Elf Ciders) rather than for alcohol per se. Is there a reason your alcoholic effects need to be more 'realistic' than those for other poisons...or would you want a subsystem for cobra venom as well to achieve a more clinically realistic outcome?

Hmm. I gave a response to your post yesterday, but its now gone. If it was deleted, I dont have the slightest idea why.

In it I said that I did use the legend system, but did add a few more details to it, and the only parts I really changed were different potential effects for different sized or multiple doses, and the layout was changed so that many drinks of different strengths could be presented as a single poison, since they are all in fact the same poison at different concentrations.

I said I wouldn't mind seeing something similar for your example with the cobra wither - a chart showing several varieties of cobra, and if applicable, different effects for different dose sizes/concentrations in the same way.

I suppose the fact that in a few places I used a character sheet statistic as part of the effect instead of just numbers and dice is unusual too, in that larger tougher characters can hold more liquor before it affects them, without even taking resilience into the question. Perhaps it mutes the role of the resilience skill too much or something. If thats the case, then that's a complaint I can see needing to be addressed. If not, the use of Chest HP was a good single number to represent both size and toughness. But Perhaps I should have tied it to the resilience skill or tied it directly to Con+Siz instead, they were the other possibilities I saw there.

So while I do see that I made a couple small departures from the sample poisons, I don't think its a bad thing (though I suppose it is a slightly more expanded/robust poison system), but I do think my original post was unwieldly and involved too much math, and the same effect could (and should) be presented in a way thats easier to use at the table - and potentially a slightly simplified version of the same would be worth doing with duration and the amount you can drink for the effects to hit you being standardized across creature sizes and constitutions. I prefer the added realism of it taking more poison to drop an elephant than a housecat, but maybe others dont like that it adds the extra steps.

Originally Posted by Darkholme

Hmm. I gave a response to your post yesterday, but its now gone. If it was deleted, I dont have the slightest idea why.

The forum was moved to another server, and some posts got lost
because of this.

Originally Posted by rust

The forum was moved to another server, and some posts got lost
because of this.

Okay. No Worries.

Did not realize about the move.